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I am not sure it was the best pick for the morning commute. It’s hard to say if Carver’s stories were principiajti with his editor’s fierce cuts, or in their pre-editing form. Zaira prinncipianti it liked it Sep 11, Ys rated it it was ok Mar 14, La raccolta o La mattina dell’8 luglio Raymond Carver scrisse una lettera angosciata e confusa all’amico ed editor Gordon Lish, che gli aveva appena mandato il manoscritto rivisto di una nuova raccolta di racconti, Principianti.

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He married at 19, started a series of menial jobs and his own career of ‘full-time drinking as a serious pursuit’, a career that would eventually kill him. Some nice sentences, but if you’re of the “Someday My Prince Will Come” mindset, stay away from this book! The advance was paid, he was sick of being poor, he was sick of fighting.

Definitely not recommended as a gift for anyone who’s getting married and has expressed having cold feet. View all 6 comments. Maria Chiara Giangrande rated it it was ok Aug 27, Previously I’d been under the impression that “The Bath” was Carver’s first run and “A Small, Good Thing” was re-envisioned through th I knew Gordon Lish played a central part in shaping the end result Carver referred to Lish’s editorial touch as “surgical amputation and transplant” and initially begged him not to publishbut holy hell, it’s practically a different book.


After the ‘line of demarcation’ in Carver’s life – 2 Junethe day he stopped drinking – his stories become increasingly more redemptive and expansive. Alice rated it it was ok Jul 09, I racconti di Principianti sono principiannti da un apparato di note ai testi che ne raccontano la genesi e da una selezione di lettere di Raymond Carver a Gordon Lish.

Lists with This Book. But it came to me principiajti that my life did not remotely resemble the life I thought I’d have when I had been young and looking ahead to things. Her eyes were terrible and deep, and he held them as long as he could.


Que a mi gusto, lejos de mutilar a Carver lo engrandece. Rejecting the more experimental fiction of the 60s and 70s, he pioneered a precisionist realism reinventing the American short story during the eighties, heading the line of so-called principiantk realists’ or ‘K-mart realists’. A quasi trent’anni di distanza, oggi possiamo finalmente leggere la versione originale di quegli straordinari racconti.

These are first drafts – of course they’re going to seem unfinished! A book of Raymond Carver stories, so of course the writing is amazing.

He saw this opportunity as a turning point. Buena prosa pero las historias son tan terribles que tuve que dejarlo.

Carver was caver big-hearted human writer with a conscience – to turn him into a clever cynic by destroying half of his text was no achievement.


Dove Lish sfoltiva i dialoghi o zittiva del tutto i personaggi, Carver aveva aspettato che arrivassero all’ultima parola.

Primarily because Carver doesn’t ever really say what he is trying to. But the amount of ridiculous changes and bad structuring I came across is horrendous! Thanks for telling us about the problem. Just a moment while we sign you in to your Goodreads account. You want to weigh up Lish’s as opposed to Carver’s editing skills?

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Anja rated it it was ok Oct 14, Not an easy read. Want to Read Currently Reading Read. I get that being middle class in America through the s and s was tough and these stories are wonderfully American carve nuanced but there was something missing in all of them that hooked me as a true Carver fan. I certainly enjoyed reading this I came across this and the version published originally called What we talk about when we talk about love and thought it would be interesting to read them side by side.

Alcohol had eventually shattered his health, his work and his family – his first marriage effectively ending in Principianti by Raymond Carver. Carver implorava Lish di sospendere la pubblicazione del volume e ripristinare i passi tagliati: